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Gives "mindfuck" a whole new meaning
My metaphysics class just now was quite interesting. What got the ball rolling was our discussion of the ontological argument for God's existence (among others), and how current writers, including my all-time favorite philosopher, Alvin Plantinga, have revived it with modal logic. They also made it circular, but I digress.

During our discussion, I became so sick of hearing about Plantinga (we're discussing his notion of transworld depravity and his free will theodicy in philosophy of religion, too), I started to sketch a picture of Mike Tyson's gorilla-like fist flying straight for Plantinga's withered old face.1 In the midst of my artistic reverie, I burst out laughing. Not little chuckles, either; conspicuous levels of laughter that soon caused others, including the professor, to begin chortling along with me. The thought of that miserable old fool getting wailed on by Iron Mike just filled me with glee. Tee hee!

Well, that put me in a mighty good mood, so I was sitting there with a huge smirk on my face for the rest of class. My professor kept asking me what was up, and whether I was "ready to pounce" on the argument we were discussing at the moment (the moral argument for God's existence). I replied with "I'm just a happy camper!" (154,000 points for whoever gets the reference) I still am, by the way. Tee hee! I also rebutted the argument by pointing out that evolution is likely to give rise to morality due to the increase in total utility through cooperation, but again, I digress.

Somehow, this branched off into a discussion about sex. Evidently, my poor professor was educated by Jesuits for 8 years, and he claims to be completely incapable of conceiving of sex without guilt. As in, he can't imagine a sex act that doesn't involve guilt somehow, because the bloodsucking Jesuits taught him that even sexual thoughts are sinful. It's objectively wrong, they say. Cripes, that must be awful; I'll take my humanistic moral noncognitivism and guilt-free sex over their "complete metaphysics" any day of the week, thankyouverymuch. Tee hee!

1: My loathing for Plantinga increased 5,000-fold when, while reading about the problem of evil, I learned that he also doesn't feel that theism needs to account for the existence of what we call "evil." Theism is "properly basic," and that's all there is to it. Hidieinafireplzkthxbai~
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raven_oreilly From: [info]raven_oreilly Date: October 4th, 2007 07:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
So, do we get to see this sketch? LOL

I think I would have busted up laughing also and probably would have said that the dude needed to be punched in the face by Mike. :)

Either way, the image that played out in my mind of your story amuses me. *nods*
rechercher From: [info]rechercher Date: October 4th, 2007 08:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
Are you still hunting for Quayle? He hasn't been in WH for over a dozen years.

Could you explain a little more about your footnote? I had [info]essius, sorry Beth, once try to get rid of the problem of evil by redefining it. Is that what Plantinga does?
matrexius From: [info]matrexius Date: October 4th, 2007 11:19 pm (UTC) (Link)
Most theistic philosophers try to come up with theodicies, which try to vindicate God in the face of evil. Plantinga thinks that logical compatibility is all that needs to be shown, which is a far cry from actually trying to make sense of why God would allow seemingly gratuitous evils to exist.

I gotta say, I love to hate that guy.
i_am_lane From: [info]i_am_lane Date: October 5th, 2007 02:40 am (UTC) (Link)
Al gives a modal argument.

He says that God has made the maximally perfect world, but it is modally distant from ours. In all near possible worlds, there is at least one human who sins -- hence, transworld depravity. In other words, in any world where free will is actual a human makes a morally bad choice because our moral depravity extends beyond this possible world.

So while God has actualized the best of all possible worlds, you are nowhere near it. Tough noogies.
matrexius From: [info]matrexius Date: October 5th, 2007 02:47 am (UTC) (Link)
How the hell are we supposed to make sense of the combination of human depravity and libertarian free will? Do they try to pull Leibniz's "incline without necessitating" doctrine? On top of that, God supposedly has free will, but he always chooses what's best, so why can't we?

Either I'm missing something crucial, or the concept of libertarian freedom is completely incoherent. Or both.
fizzyland From: [info]fizzyland Date: October 4th, 2007 08:17 pm (UTC) (Link)

I pity the fool who won't account for the existence of evil

That's a good visual.

And as always, I must commend you on your icon selection.
matrexius From: [info]matrexius Date: October 4th, 2007 11:01 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: I pity the fool who won't account for the existence of evil

Hehe, not only does it fit my mood, but it corresponds to the "happy camper" reference.
theromanticone From: [info]theromanticone Date: October 4th, 2007 09:11 pm (UTC) (Link)
After the not-so-awesome week I've had, that mental image of the sketch + the mental image of you giggling in public has made my day. You're always good for cheering me up. :)

I love you. See you tomorrow. <3
matrexius From: [info]matrexius Date: October 4th, 2007 11:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
<3
i_am_lane From: [info]i_am_lane Date: October 5th, 2007 02:38 am (UTC) (Link)
Transworld depravity -- the idea that humans are fucked up in every possible world. Gotta love it.

"Oh, God made the maximally perfect world... it's just about 3 bazillion possible worlds over."
matrexius From: [info]matrexius Date: October 5th, 2007 02:52 am (UTC) (Link)
In response to this sort of stuff, I love the "Heaven objection" - you know, that the concept of a maximally spectacularly great world where humans have free will seems to contradict the idea that God couldn't have created a world with free will. In lieu of admitting that we don't need free will to enjoy paradise, they seem to favor the response, "But you need to live in a fallen world first to appreciate Heaven." What about, say, a small, innocent child who is killed before they learn of life's turmoils? Are they stuck with enjoying Heaven less because, say, they didn't live for 30 years in Sudan? Seems like a pretty bum deal to me.
jordan179 From: [info]jordan179 Date: October 9th, 2007 07:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
As in, he can't imagine a sex act that doesn't involve guilt somehow, because the bloodsucking Jesuits taught him that even sexual thoughts are sinful.

What, even in marriage?

That makes Tolkien, Stasheff or Wright look like advocates of random promiscuity, in comparison!!!

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The Bound Man (a dialogue)
A. He stands and hears: what's wrong, he's thinking?
What sound provokes his heart to sinking?
What was it hurled him to the ground?
B. Like all who once in chains were bound,
He hears around him - iron clinking.

- Nietzsche, The Gay Science
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